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conspiracy clothes
Aug 22 2007, 08:53 PM
[/url]*feel free to distribute this article*The following is the best kept secret in the world. Satanism, and lower, yet connected, forms of organized occultism are very prevalent in our government, military, churches, courts, media, corporate and business world, as well as the covens, lodges and other types of overt low and higher level witchcraft unions.1 The extent of its infiltration is vastly underestimated and actively covered up. People who make accusations of satanic ritual abuse (SRA) are viciously attacked by many seemingly unrelated groups, although the psychiatric field is awash in patients “hallucinating” about this specific and grizzly abuse.2 It has become so prevalent that it is simply ridiculous to ask people to believe there is mass hallucination on such a large scale. Especially considering that the husband and wife founders of the main foundation set up to propagate the idea that this does not exist, the False Memory Foundation, resigned after they were accused by their own daughter of abuse.3 I know this sounds a little out there, but please keep reading, and by the end I hope you will see not only that it is in fact happening, but its happening on a massive scale. Satanism is the glue that connects the various groups accused by many conspiracy theorists of “running the world,” i.e. groups like the “Neo-cons”, the Freemasons, “the Illuminati”, the Zionists, The Jesuits, or the ancient royal bloodlines of Europe.4 At the top levels these groups are connected through their religious belief system, not through their quest for money, sex or power, although those things are used extensively as motivators for the people in their system. To accuse one of these groups individually as the “lone gunman” is part of the security fence designed to protect this system. It has become very difficult to deny that some shadow government is pushing for a world government. In fact, we now have documentation of this goal5, yet deciding who or what exactly is behind this shadow has been the challenge. This is the answer to that challenge.Thanks to Alex Jones, we now have hard and public evidence, that the biggest movers and shakers of the political and business world are at least complacent enough to be present in the worship of Molech, an ancient Babylonian god, when they attend “the cremation of care” ceremony performed by men at the Bohemian Grove, an elite resort in northern California attended by presidents and policy makers, as well as business tycoons and newsmen. This ceremony has now been video taped and is widely available for viewing. However, this is by no means the only evidence to support that our leaders are involved in occult ritual worship.6Albert Pike, author of Morals and Dogma, who is known as one of The major leaders of freemasonry, left nothing to the imagination when making clear that the top levels of the Masonic order are devoted to Lucifer. Here is an excerpt from that book which is given to freemason to study upon reaching the 32nd degree:"If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy, and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? "Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God.”"Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."7This is a serious issue for us because it seems that even at the local levels of government, a person is often not even considered for election unless he is part of a fraternal organization such as the masons. This is only circumstantial, I understand, but I wanted you to see how this could easily become a country in which the entire leadership structure secretly follows orders from some occult council or person. The nature and agenda of this religious leadership would then be of the utmost importance to the citizens of the community or state or country, if for no other reason than because their leaders would have strong loyalties that would be a tremendous conflict of interest. Whether or not we believe in Satan is unimportant because some of our most powerful leaders and heads of industry do, and all facets of our lives, from our local to our federal communities are influenced by people who knowingly or unknowingly are a part of a vast satanic system.1It is important to note that many of the first few layers of the system do not necessarily even believe in the Satan of the Bible. They consider their power to be granted from any number of benevolent and/or malevolent sources, such as spirit guides, etc. Technically they may be right at that level, and make no mistake that they have real power – power to heal, etc. At the higher level of even the most obscure coven, there is the summoning of spiritual entities and an effort to attach them to those who give them their will to do so. This brings me to trauma based mind control. This system was being developed by the Nazis and was brought to America by an estimated 700 mind control scientists under the name “Project Paperclip.” This was begun towards the end of WWII, and continued after it ended.8 Many rocket scientists were brought over at that time as well. The deals for the scientists were brokered by the OSS, which was the predecessor of the CIA. They distributed the scientists throughout North and South America and, in effect, continued Hitler’s work. The rocket division was used liberally in the creation of NASA.8 This was supposedly done in order to prevent other hostile nations from acquiring these “valuable” men. Whether or not this was the right decision I won’t guess, but it should suggest to you that there was at least the potential for our system to be corrupted with the ideals and spirituality of these brilliant Nazi war criminals. The Nazi regime was a creation, in effect, of the Thule Society, which is an occult secret society, which the infamous Skull and Bones society was derived from. Three generations of the Bush family is a part of this society and loyal to it, the first being Prescott Bush who was Hitler’s banker in the USA.9 This should raise a series of questions for the American public, considering that his son and his grandson later became presidents of the United States, and that one of them was head of the CIA and must have therefore had some, probably more than nominal, knowledge of Project Paperclip. The occult history of the Nazis and the Thule Society has been thoroughly shown to be fact.9 This is brought up to show you a little known, yet vastly important aspect of the Nazi, and later American, mind control projects. Some of the main projects were done under the code names MK-ULTRA, MONARCH, and ARTICHOKE.10They were trauma based mind control programs. This is where they tortured children in various ways in order to get them to “disassociate” or create alternate personalities in order to deal with the trauma. After repeating this again and again, they were able to create triggers and program personalities to do any of a number of things, while keeping the core personality unaware of it. This technology was perfected over the years, and to meet and talk with a victim who has recovered some memory of the horrible techniques is an eye opening experience. One of the main reasons that occultists employ this technique on children is to artificially create a person who is willing to accept a demon. I know it sounds crazy, but this is what initiates of Satanism do of their own free will when they join. However, since the free will of the person was apparently needed in order to attach a demon, or multiple demons, they took children, and through massive amounts of torture broke down the wills of certain personalities or “alters” which were created in these children. Today, children are being bred specifically for this reason by this vast network.2 This is how, for instance, one of their assassins can have super strength when they are triggered into the assassin alter, but not in their core personality. It is essentially a scientific method of forcing demon possession on someone. Satanic Ritual Abuse and Multiple Personality Disorder are connected. Children and adult survivors both report sadistic torture, human sacrifice and cannibalism during satanic rituals. They are usually multi-generational, that is that their entire families are “in on it,” and have been, often, for centuries. 2The most incredible thing is that the families that do these things are most often “normal,” high-income families that society would never suspect. They are part of their churches and communities and local governments. They are actively involved in infiltrating churches and television evangelism in order to discredit and undermine Christianity. They also use the churches, once infiltrated, to perform rituals in.2This is also done in the most unlikley of placesFather Malichi Martin, the esteemed Catholic priest and advisor to two popes before his life was cut short when he “fell” down a flight of stairs, said in his book Windswept House:"Suddenly it became unarguable that now during this papacy, the Roman Catholic organization carried a permanent presence of clerics who worshipped Satan and liked it; of bishops and priests who sodomized boys and each other; of nuns who performed the “Black Rites” of Wicca, and who lived in lesbian relationships . . . every day, including Sundays and Holy Days, acts of heresy and blasphemy and outrage and indifference were committed and permitted at holy Altars by men who had been called to be priests. Sacrilegious actions and rites were not only performed on Christ’s altars, but had the connivance or at least the tacit permission of certain Cardinals, archbishops, and bishops. In total number they were a minority—anything from one to ten percent of church personnel. But of that minority, many occupied astoundingly high positions or rank.... The facts that brought the Pope to a new level of suffering were mainly two: the systematic organizational links—the network, in other words, that had been established between certain clerical homosexual groups and Satanist covens. And the inordinate power and influence of that network." (Pp. 492-3) 11The following is my own conclusion as to what is going on and why. I believe, personally, that Satan, much like God, operates through those who have their respective spirits attached to them, i.e. the Holy Spirit for God, and demon(s) for Satan. Their wills are done through the people that have given themselves to do so. However, as we have seen, Satan has derived a way to mass-produce vessels for his warriors (spirits). I believe that Satan’s plan has always been to build the infrastructure of a one-world government. We now have plenty of hard evidence to suggest that those in power have been secretly moving us towards globalization.5 The reason this has been such an important part of Satan’s long-term plan is because this system, once functioning, will be strong enough to rule overtly with an iron fist. Satanists and Christians agree that after the Great War of Gog/Magog or World War III, in my opinion, the Antichrist will come as a man of peace. His ultimate goal, as it has always been, is to force everyone on the earth to worship him. He will employ all of his technologies and power to do this. Part of the massive deception will be that the Gog/Magog war will be set up to look and feel like the war of Armageddon in the Bible, so that at the end of that bloody war, the antichrist can claim he is the second coming of Christ. This is what is meant by the old myth of the Phoenix rising from the ashes. It refers to the antichrist rising out of the manufactured devestation of WWIII. The antichrist will appear to fulfill Biblical scripture in many ways. He will for instance he will “come on the clouds with his holy ones,” but the anti-christ's false "holy ones" I think will be part of these spiritual Golems that will be introduced to us as “aliens.” The antichrist will probably claim to be one of and/or claim to have authority over these aliens. This new revelation will be the catalyst to uniting the world religions. Then, we will be forced to take a mark that will possibly cause us to feel and do certain things, as well as track us and monitor our buying and selling. It may be that the chip will somehow force us to worship him.I personally believe that some of the Nephilim of Genesis 6 have survived through the meticulous preserving of bloodlines of various elite families or tribes. This is why the last world empire in Daniel, chapter 2 appears to be run by people from a seed other than the seed of men. It is why the iron does not mix with the clay.The sheer number of satanic covens is shocking, as is the fact that they breed babies for cannibalism and sacrifice, and the fact that they are in your church and local governments. 2 To see how deeply they have infiltrated these facets, you only have to note the fevered the protests denying these activities. Modern academia claim that these people reporting Satanic ritual abuse are all having “false memory syndrome”, because they watched Oprah or Geraldo or Sally in the 80’s when they did some specials on SRA13 (a simplification of the idea). One of the problems with this is that there is in fact a lot of convictions clearly validating the victims testimonies, not to mention all the children that consistently describe inhuman torture in what can only be described as ritual environments.12 Please look at the data and statistics and compare them to what the official story is. (you wont have to look far to find that) The illogical and fervent denial of this is telling, in and of itself. The spirit that dwells in Christians is the literally the spirit of God. This is what is meant by 1 John 4:4, “Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world.” Basically, the infinite spirit in Christians is no match for the finite spirit that consists of the evil one and his army. If a Christian knows they have authority and uses it, they can command the spirits with total authority. This is an unacceptable arrangement as far as evil is concerned, and Satan has launched quite a campaign to keep people from understanding or wanting this authority. This game is being played whether we like it or not and whether we believe it is or not. It comes down to which spirit we will let inside of us. Ultimately, it will be one or the other. We have run out of time. The players in the Gog/Magog war have chosen as it was said that they would.14 This war will bring about death on such a scale that we will beg for a world government. The deception will be overwhelming, and unless you ask for the Spirit of Jesus to dwell in you, soon you, too, will believe the lie.“For false christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.” Mark 13:321 business and government occultism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Freemasonshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Skull_and_Bones_membershttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grovehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pUogbYkoHchttp://www.threefolding.freeuk.com/boardmn2.htmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MPLJI-Twzshttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-666799656527671078Satanism in the military http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-341031042963487862http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardt..._subversion.htmhttp://mkane.gnn.tv/blogs/5063/SATANISM_IN...Y_AND_FOX_NEWSyhttp://www.meguiar.addr.com/human_sacrifices.htmhttp://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/24...ship/index.htmlkay griggshttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...2963487862'Satanism in the churchhttp://www.theharrowing.com/devil.htmlhttp://www.tldm.org/news4/bernardin.htmhttp://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1334.cfmhttp://www.amazon.com/Lucifers-Lodge-Satan...c/dp/0900588063http://aztlan.net/65_parishes_close.htmhttp://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Rel...sonic_lodge.htmhttp://freemasonrywatch.org/scouting_satan.html2 sra movieshttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7198716510360758238http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRYm5YtaCQohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3iUhhVUALohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrl5Ti35Clkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtaSHDs3nO4franklin coverup moviehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRYm5YtaCQowebsiteshttp://home.mchsi.com/~ftio/ra-stats.htmhttp://www.apologeticsindex.org/s05.htmlhttp://www.survivorship.org/faq.htmlhttp://theawarenesscenter.org/ritualabuse....nviction%20Listhttp://www.ra-info.org/resources/ra_cases.shtmlhttp://www.newsmakingnews.com/karencuriojo...Abuse%20Archivehttp://www.againstsexualabuse.org/sightings.asphttp://home.mchsi.com/~ftio/ra-evidence-surfaces.htmhttp://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/...itual_abuse.htmhttp://home.mchsi.com/~ftio/ra-sra-second-look.htmhttp://www.mindcontrolforums.com/wake-upabout-cults.htmcase by casehttp://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=6036cover uphttp://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv....m/msg53188.html3 false memory foundationhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Memory_...rome_Foundation4 Fritz Springmeir videohttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=51164908536130682165 global governmenthttp://www.infowars.net/articles/September...280906Union.htmhttp://www.infowars.net/articles/may2007/040507EUUS.htmhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/202265/Mrkvas-Ch...er-publicationshttp://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Counc...n_Relations.htm6 alex jones dark secrets inside the bohemian grovehttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1358319439993514946http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove7 morals and dogmahttp://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.htmlFritz Springmeir videohttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=51164908536130682168 project papercliphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Papercliphttp://www.wanttoknow.info/bluebird10pghttp://www.mindcontrolforums.com/project-paperclip4.htmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQDJ2pZPMIUhttp://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/...rclip_file.html9 Nazi, occult and bush connectionsnazi occult connectionshttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3014581497309209211http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archi...hala_tibet.htmlhttp://www.apfn.org/apfn/thule.htmhttp://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hitlers-ladder-power.htmbush nazi-link confirmedhttp://www.nhgazette.com/?page_id=80http://www.apfn.org/apfn/thule.htm10 mind controlhttp://www.theblackvault.com/content-21.htmlThe Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slavehttp://web.archive.org/web/20000410161808/...z-contents.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkwSC8qE7xEhttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopol...l_mindcon02.htmhttp://www.mindcontrolforums.com/greenbaum.htmhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5116490853613068216http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/project-paperclip4.htm11 Windswept Househttp://www.theharrowing.com/martin.html12 Cases srahttp://www.ra-info.org/resources/ra_cases.shtmlhttp://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=6036http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/...itual_abuse.htmhttp://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cf...3887&page=2franklin coveruphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRYm5YtaCQo 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRYm5YtaCQohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3iUhhVUALo14 gog magog war [url="http://www.prophecyupdate.com/russia,_gog_and_magog,_armageddon___.htm"]http://www.prophecyupdate.com/russia,_gog_...mageddon___.htm
conspiracy clothes
Aug 23 2007, 05:30 AM
Here is a very important reference I should have used. it’s a lecture from former FBI investigator Ted Gunderson concerning Satanic Ritual Abuse. It confirms the huge coverup of this stuff and how widespread it is.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7422707471557380769
NumberOneSon
Aug 23 2007, 03:28 PM
QUOTE(conspiracy clothes @ Aug 22 2007, 04:53 PM)
Thanks to Alex Jones, we now have hard and public evidence, that the biggest movers and shakers of the political and business world are at least complacent enough to be present in the worship of Molech, an ancient Babylonian god, when they attend “the cremation of care” ceremony performed by men at the Bohemian Grove, an elite resort in northern California attended by presidents and policy makers, as well as business tycoons and newsmen.First, there was already “hard and public evidence” that the Bohemians were conducting the Cremation of Care ceremony. It was never a secret that elite businessmen, politicians, academics, and artists traveled to the Bohemian Grove for the two-week encampment and watched the Cremation of Care. In fact, ABC World News reported “hard and public evidence” back in 1981 during a nationally televised evening news broadcast. ABC reported on the Cremation of Dull Care, the Owl of Bohemia, etc., and the report contained pictures of the ceremony and the owl. You can still watch the broadcast on YouTube for yourself. Jones may have been the first to obtain video footage of the ceremony, but he was not the first person to sneak into the Grove and obtain “hard and public evidence”; such evidence has been around for over 100 years, and photos of the ceremony and other Grove events have all been made available to the public. Second, the Cremation of Care is not the worship of Moloch. This is a myth that Jones continues to perpetuate. There is no known connection between Moloch worship and owl mythos. Moloch was never depicted as an owl, and owls were never used as alters for human sacrifice. The attempt to tie the Bohemian Owl to Moloch did not originate from within the Bohemian Club, nor did it come from any historical evidence; it originated from the opinion of a “local community newspaper” called the Santa Rosa Sun in 1993, a paper doing a story on “the Cult of Canaan and the legend of Moloch in place at Bohemian Grove”. What the story actually says is unknown because a copy of it does not exist on the web, but what is clear is that one person’s opinion was taken and twisted into a “fact”, and this falsehood was perpetuated by Antony C. Sutton in the Phoenix Letter newsletter in 1996, where he wrongly claimed the Club members chant to “the Owl God” during the ceremony, and he put (Moloch) in parentheses. This is the basis for Alex Jones’ “Moloch” claim, and it is built on rumor and conjecture, not on any real evidence. Even Jones’ cameraman, Mike Hansen, has ruled out the “Great Owl” as a statue of Moloch in his book about the Grove. It’s too bad Alex won’t see the light. Third, Moloch was not even a Babylonian diety. He was worshipped in places like Canaan and later Phoenicia, but he has no clear connection to Babylon. In Babylon, owl pendants were used as charms of protection for women during childbirth; owls did not have anything to do with Babylonian human sacrifice. Nothing in the Cremation ceremony is connected to Babylonian worship except in the minds of self-proclaimed occult “experts”. Fourth, no one in the Jones video actually performs any act of worship. The attendants do not “chant to Moloch”, as Sutton claimed. Watch the video and try to identify even one person “worshipping” the Owl. You won’t find one. The actors on the stage do not worship the owl either.So to sum this up, the owl is not Moloch. There is no worship within the Grove (the transcript of Cremation ceremony and the video proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt). Moloch was not a Babylonian god. The tie between Moloch and the Bohemian owl does not come from the Club nor from history, but from the rumors printed in a community newspaper and a newsletter.
QUOTE(conspiracy clothes @ Aug 22 2007, 04:53 PM)
This ceremony has now been video taped and is widely available for viewing. However, this is by no means the only evidence to support that our leaders are involved in occult ritual worship.If the other evidence is on par with Alex Jones’ “evidence” then I’d be highly skeptical of it, and justifiably so. The guy who drew up the "Basic Illuminati Structure" pyramid you have at the top of your OP is another self-styled occult "expert" who is currently serving time in jail for armed robbery. Not exactly the most reliable source for information, I dare say.NumberOneSon
HollyDolly
Aug 23 2007, 03:44 PM
Thanks for the information and the links.I recall my dad saying that if there was a Third World War,it would happend in the Middle East.Already there are moves afoot for a North American Union similar to the European Union.There has always been satanism in the United States and it was brought over by the colonists so is nothing new,except to some people.
conspiracy clothes
Aug 23 2007, 04:18 PM
QUOTE(HollyDolly @ Aug 23 2007, 10:44 AM)
Thanks for the information and the links.I recall my dad saying that if there was a Third World War,it would happend in the Middle East.Already there are moves afoot for a North American Union similar to the European Union.There has always been satanism in the United States and it was brought over by the colonists so is nothing new,except to some people.http://threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." Albert Pike1871
conspiracy clothes
Aug 30 2007, 04:03 PM
I just did an interview with an expert in all this his name is Russ Dizdar, he is one of the worlds leading authorities on demonic possession, and has personally been involved in hundreds of exorcisms, Russ is also an expert on trauma based mind control, and he taught police course on satanic crime.it explains evrthing, but most importantly how to deal with all this, because if he is right, then during "the black awakening" were going to need to know how to counter it.http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/entry/20...T22_54_57-07_00
Eric Raven The Skeptic
Aug 30 2007, 04:10 PM
Hey, C cloth. I like how you did not even bother to reply to Number one son. He made great & true points. I totally agree with. Alex Jones is out to make money and push forward myths.
conspiracy clothes
Aug 30 2007, 04:30 PM
QUOTE(Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Aug 30 2007, 11:10 AM)
Hey, C cloth. I like how you did not even bother to reply to Number one son. He made great & true points. I totally agree with. Alex Jones is out to make money and push forward myths.yes sorry about that, "I would like to post a some criticism I received from a friend regarding this article I wrote, whos opinion I have tremendous respect for, although we dont always see eye to eye. He usually calls me out when I miss something.he wrote: (referring to NumberOneSon) i agree w/ the commentator who said that jones' propogation of the bohemian owl B-ing molech is based on deceit. check the wikipedia article on molech. in no way is there any connection between molech & owls i the ancient world. the only figure from the ancient world associated w/ owls is lilith. check her wikipedia entry & the picture of the relief of (possibly) liltu, inanna or erishkigal dated @ c. 1950 BC.skull & bones is almost certainly the american branch of the jesuit-created, rothschild-funded, weishaupt-fronted illuminati. the thule society was not its progenitor altho' there may have been some interaction between the 1st 2 world wars. C the following from wikipedia:The Thule Society was a cover-name adopted by Rudolf von Sebottendorff, a German occultist, for his Munich lodge of the Germanenorden Walvater of the Holy Grail at its formal dedication on August 18, 1918. The Germanenorden Walvater was a schismatic offshoot of the Germanenorden, a secret society (a.k.a. the "Order of Teutons") founded in 1911 and named Germanenorden in 1912.Von Sebottendorff later claimed that he originally intended the Thule Society to be a vehicle for promoting his own occultist theories, but that the Germanenorden pressed him to emphasize political, nationalist and anti-Semitic themes. Since this claim was made while the Nazis were in power and von Sebottendorff had little to gain by denying anti-Semitism, it may well be true."here is something further on the subject I wrote on another forumIt doesn’t look like its Molech as Alex Jones says, although in fairness I haven’t gone back and really checked it out. I think this argument of which god or goddess it is is ultimately just buying time, because they are in fact performing a mock human sacrifice. Lets just say for the sake of argument that its just a real "artsy thing to do, and that they didnt mean anything by it. well one thing is the crowed is participating their butts off, yelling with fevered excitement and all. and if you listen to the orator of the ceremony there is no denying its intention its a ritual for a deity to give all of its manifestations power while giving the onlookers some of the goods as well. All Im saying is it reeked of church and just like church not everyone in the pews believes what there saying up front.i have always looked at the grove as being an lower mid level thing, a way to bridge a person who may have independent wealth or power but is not in their system. a way of bringing them in and using there pride as an intial trap. I.E. look Im so special I get invited to meeting I cant talk about. Yet when it subtly brings them in to the fact that when you play at that level there is a spiritual component. Im sure if you asked more questions about the ceremony at bohemian grove than you did about the naked tiki bar. You would be shown a deeper level of that less than benign (mock human sacrifice) version.
Timon
Aug 31 2007, 06:20 PM
QUOTE(NumberOneSon @ Aug 23 2007, 11:28 AM)
First, there was already “hard and public evidence” that the Bohemians were conducting the Cremation of Care ceremony. It was never a secret that elite businessmen, politicians, academics, and artists traveled to the Bohemian Grove for the two-week encampment and watched the Cremation of Care. In fact, ABC World News reported “hard and public evidence” back in 1981 during a nationally televised evening news broadcast. ABC reported on the Cremation of Dull Care, the Owl of Bohemia, etc., and the report contained pictures of the ceremony and the owl. You can still watch the broadcast on YouTube for yourself. Jones may have been the first to obtain video footage of the ceremony, but he was not the first person to sneak into the Grove and obtain “hard and public evidence”; such evidence has been around for over 100 years, and photos of the ceremony and other Grove events have all been made available to the public. Second, the Cremation of Care is not the worship of Moloch. This is a myth that Jones continues to perpetuate. There is no known connection between Moloch worship and owl mythos. Moloch was never depicted as an owl, and owls were never used as alters for human sacrifice. The attempt to tie the Bohemian Owl to Moloch did not originate from within the Bohemian Club, nor did it come from any historical evidence; it originated from the opinion of a “local community newspaper” called the Santa Rosa Sun in 1993, a paper doing a story on “the Cult of Canaan and the legend of Moloch in place at Bohemian Grove”. What the story actually says is unknown because a copy of it does not exist on the web, but what is clear is that one person’s opinion was taken and twisted into a “fact”, and this falsehood was perpetuated by Antony C. Sutton in the Phoenix Letter newsletter in 1996, where he wrongly claimed the Club members chant to “the Owl God” during the ceremony, and he put (Moloch) in parentheses. This is the basis for Alex Jones’ “Moloch” claim, and it is built on rumor and conjecture, not on any real evidence. Even Jones’ cameraman, Mike Hansen, has ruled out the “Great Owl” as a statue of Moloch in his book about the Grove. It’s too bad Alex won’t see the light. Third, Moloch was not even a Babylonian diety. He was worshipped in places like Canaan and later Phoenicia, but he has no clear connection to Babylon. In Babylon, owl pendants were used as charms of protection for women during childbirth; owls did not have anything to do with Babylonian human sacrifice. Nothing in the Cremation ceremony is connected to Babylonian worship except in the minds of self-proclaimed occult “experts”. Fourth, no one in the Jones video actually performs any act of worship. The attendants do not “chant to Moloch”, as Sutton claimed. Watch the video and try to identify even one person “worshipping” the Owl. You won’t find one. The actors on the stage do not worship the owl either.So to sum this up, the owl is not Moloch. There is no worship within the Grove (the transcript of Cremation ceremony and the video proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt). Moloch was not a Babylonian god. The tie between Moloch and the Bohemian owl does not come from the Club nor from history, but from the rumors printed in a community newspaper and a newsletter. If the other evidence is on par with Alex Jones’ “evidence” then I’d be highly skeptical of it, and justifiably so. The guy who drew up the "Basic Illuminati Structure" pyramid you have at the top of your OP is another self-styled occult "expert" who is currently serving time in jail for armed robbery. Not exactly the most reliable source for information, I dare say.NumberOneSonThe problem I have with your argument is that you are basically saying that, "there is nothing going on here, this owl isn't molech, he is not being worshipped, there is no connection to babylon, nothing to see here." When really there is; one, a ritual happening, two, a gaint owl with the horns of a bull which must symbolize something and three, an organized effort to give attention to a ritual and a symbol.I think you believe you give a good counter point to the OP but let me ask you though, if what you say is true then what are we seeing in the video, explain what is going on then.Also, Molech's main characteristic is that he has the horns of a bull, the boheimain Owl has the horns of a bull, this may seemingly be a small coincidence but when you don't know the symbolic meaning of what the owl represents then you have to make assumptions. Alex Jone's assumption that the owl is Molech does have some basis, (i could go further into this if you would like) but at the same time your argument could be true aswell, that the owl has no connection to Molech at all. Really though, neither arguments could prove the other negative, so really the owl is open to any kind of interprtation. I will say this though, it does not represent anything that would be considered natural and if you would be interested in an explaination of why I can give you one.
NumberOneSon
Sep 1 2007, 05:43 AM
QUOTE(Timon @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 PM)
The problem I have with your argument is that you are basically saying that, "there is nothing going on here, this owl isn't molech, he is not being worshipped, there is no connection to babylon, nothing to see here." When really there is;No, my argument is basically this: we shouldn’t continue to propagate myths about things that aren’t actually going on at the Grove. If the owl is not Moloch then we shouldn’t label it as such. If the owl isn’t being worshipped during the Cremation of Care ceremony, than we shouldn’t state that it is. If there isn’t any connection between Babylon and the Cremation of Care then we shouldn’t manufacture one.
QUOTE(Timon @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 PM)
one, a ritual happening,Sure, but there isn’t anything necessarily malevolent about that. The Cremation of Care was created in 1879, back when the club was filled with artists and writers, and long before NWO types were even a part of the club. Theatrical performances are a hallmark of the Bohemian Club, and the Cremation of Care is an annual tradition. The music for the ceremony is often provided by a full orchestra. Sometimes the ceremony ends with a brass band ensemble playing music from the 1930’s. There’s even a fire company waiting in the wings in case some of the fireworks get out of hand. Sorry, but those sorts of things aren’t very characteristic of occult rituals.
QUOTE(Timon @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 PM)
two, a gaint owl with the horns of a bull which must symbolize somethingYou mentioned this same “horns” idea in another thread. I don’t understand how you can look at a photo of the Bohemian Owl statue and come to the conclusion that it has horns. There are no “horns of a bull” on the statue; there aren’t even any pointy ear tufts for that matter. The top of its head is flat and triangular. There are no horns whatsoever.During the Cremation ceremony, the owl is called the “Prince of all mortal wisdom”. It seems obvious to me that the owl symbolizes wisdom. Again, the owl was chosen as the mascot of the club from its very inception back in 1872…long before any NWO types dominated the group, and a good 7 years before the first encampment and creation of the Cremation of Care.
QUOTE(Timon @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 PM)
and three, an organized effort to give attention to a ritual and a symbol.What do you mean by that? The Bohemian Club holds roughly 200 scheduled events per year, and usually between 300-400 members attend Thursday shows each week; if there was an organized effort to give attention to the Cremation of Care they would make it a monthly event instead of once-a-year. I don’t fault them for giving attention to the owl…after all, it is there mascot. What’s wrong with a club having a mascot?
QUOTE(Timon @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 PM)
I think you believe you give a good counter point to the OP but let me ask you though, if what you say is true then what are we seeing in the video, explain what is going on then.An annual theatrical production is what ‘s going on, a production that sets the mood for two weeks of drinking, site seeing, hiking, museums, prostitution, fishing, boating, theatrical performances and more drinking.
QUOTE(Timon @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 PM)
Also, Molech's main characteristic is that he has the horns of a bull, the boheimain Owl has the horns of a bull, this may seemingly be a small coincidence but when you don't know the symbolic meaning of what the owl represents then you have to make assumptions.Moloch's main characteristic was being a bull, or being half bull half human. And again, there are no horns of a bull on the owl statue; even a horned owl does not have the "horns of a bull". I challenge you to provide one picture of the Owl of Bohemia in which he has the "horns of a bull".We do know that the owl represents wisdom, and the idea that there must be a hidden, symbolic meaning is an assumption I believe is unwarranted.
QUOTE(Timon @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 PM)
Alex Jone's assumption that the owl is Molech does have some basis, (i could go further into this if you would like) but at the same time your argument could be true aswell, that the owl has no connection to Molech at all.Sure, please explain the basis you’re referring to. Are you talking about the Moloch/Lilith/Athenian owl connection?
QUOTE(Timon @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 PM)
Really though, neither arguments could prove the other negative, so really the owl is open to any kind of interprtation.Maybe, but from what I can tell my viewpoint can be backed up by a lot of documentation, while the conpiratorial viewpoint is based mostly on speculation and personal agendas. I do think it is rather telling, though, that Mike Hansen, the man who was with Alex Jones during the Cremation of Care, and shares Alex Jones’ worldview, has ruled out the Bohemian Owl as a representation of Moloch.
QUOTE(Timon @ Aug 31 2007, 02:20 PM)
I will say this though, it does not represent anything that would be considered natural and if you would be interested in an explaination of why I can give you one.Sure, please do.NumberOneSon
momentarylapseofreason
Sep 1 2007, 06:42 PM
Lucifer and SatanNeither the attributes nor personification of Lucifer or Satan play any role in the beliefs or rituals of Freemasonry. The topic is only of interest insofar as anti-masonic attacks have accused Freemasonry of worshiping Lucifer. The confusion stems from such 19th century masonic authors as Albert Pike and Albert G. Mackey who have used the term "luciferian" in its classical or literary sense to refer to a search for knowledge. John Robinson notes "The emphasis here should be on intent. When Albert Pike and other Masonic scholars spoke over a century ago about the "Luciferian path," or the "energies of Lucifer," they were referring to the morning star, the light bearer, the search for light; the very antithesis of dark, satanic evil." LUCIFER, also called Lucifer Calaritanus (d. c.370), bishop of Cagliari, Sardinia, was a fierce opponent of the heresy of Arianism (first proposed early in the 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius, who taught that Christ is not truly divine but a created being). To further his rigorously orthodox views, Lucifer Calaritanus founded the Luciferians, a sect that survived in scattered remnants into the early 5th century. 8It was attacked by St. Jerome in his polemic Altercatio Luciferiani et orthodoxi ("The Dispute of the Luciferian and the Orthodox").References to these Luciferians, without further explanation, has perhaps lead subsequent writers such as Nesta H. Webster to erroneously assume that they were satanic."Lucifer" is the Latin term originally used by the Romans to refer to the planet Venus when that planet was west of the sun and hence rose before the sun in the morning, thereby being the morning star.The same planet was called Hesperus, Cesperugo, Vesper, Noctifer, or Nocturnus, when it appeared in the heavens after sunset. Although 19th and 20th century occultists would equate other goddesses such as Astarte, Ashtoreth, Lilith, Isis, Cemeramis, Mari, and Ishtar with Venus, links between the cultures and attributes represented are not historically clear. Lucifer as a personification is called a son of Astraeus and Aurora or Eos, of Cephalus and Aurora, or of Atlas. He is called the father of Ceyx, Daedalion, and of the Hesperides. Lucifer is also a surname of several goddesses of light, such as Artemis, Aurora, and Hecate. 1.The word appears to have entered the religious lexicon when the Hebrew expression in Isaiah 14:12, "HeYLeL BeN-ShaCHaR." (meaning "bright son of the morning/dawn," "bright [and] morning star," "glowing morning star," or "shining one, son of the dawn.")2. was translated to "Phosphorus" (the Greek word for Venus as the morning star) in the Septuagint, and then translated into "Lucifer" in the Vulgate (from the Greek Septuagint). Isaiah 14, taken as a whole, is a parable, or prophecy of denunciation against the Kings of Babylon, specifically Tiglath-pileser III 3 In verse 12, the prophet characterizes the arrogance of Tiglath-pileser III as if the king had thought himself fit to appear in the sky as the morning star, but has fallen to earth, being brought low by the vengeance of the Lord against those who would exalt themselves and persecute the Lord’s people (i.e., the Israelites).Origenes Adamantius (185 CE - 254 CE), an important Christian scholar of the early Greek Church, and Augustine of Canterbury (d. May 26 604/605 CE), founder of the Christian Church in southern England, both interpreted the use of the term Lucifer as a reference to the Devil.The name Lucifer was applied to Satan by St. Jerome and later to the demon of sinful pride by Milton in Paradise Lost. Lucifer is the title and principal character of the epic poem by the Dutch playwright, Vondel (who uses Lucifer in lieu of Satan), and a principal character in the mystery play by Imre Madach, "The Tragedy of Man". Blake pictured Lucifer in his illustrations to Dante. George Meredith’s sonnet Lucifer in Starlight addresses the "fiend" as Prince Lucifer. To Spenser in An Hymne of Heavenly Love, Lucifer is "the brightest angel, even the Child of Light." In Ovid’s Metamorphosis, Lucifer is the morning star and father of Ceyx. He is described as riding a white horse (clarus equo, book XV.189) and his face is characterized by a bright gladness (see XI.270 ff. Lucifero genitore satus patriumque nitorem ore ferens Ceyx). Also see Books II.115 and 723, IV.629,665. LUCIFER shining one, i.e. the morning star, as explained by the following words ’son of dawn,' Is 14:12). - The word is applied by the writer of the prophecy to the King of Babylon, partly in reference to the astrology for which Chaldaea was famous in ancient times, partly to the prevailing belief in the deification of heroes. The king of Babylon had complacently looked forward to the time when he would ascend into heaven and exalt his throne above the stars of God. But in reality his dead body would be treated with the utmost contempt. ''a carcass trodden under foot', while his soul would descend into Sheol, and there receive but an empty honour from the shades, astounded that the great and mighty king could become like one of themselves. 4The word "satan" is from a Hebrew word, "sathane", meaning adversary or calumniator; in original Jewish usage (see the book of Job), the satan is the adversary, not of God, but of mankind; i.e., the angel charged by God with the task of proving that mankind is an unworthy creation. 5 Note though, that Balaam’s satan (Numbers 22:23-33) protects him from harm.Later, as Judaism absorbed such ideas as Zoroastrian dualism and concepts about angels during the Exile, and then as Christianity echoed various concepts from earlier religions, the concept of an evil power ruling an underground domain of punishment for the wicked became fixed in Christian doctrine. In such a doctrine, elements of the Graeco-Roman god Pluto/ Vulcan/ Hephaestus, the Underworld, and various aspects of Nordic/Teutonic mythology may be traced.The Latin name of Phosphorus, Venus as the morning star, is the light bringer which heralds the dawn. The name is sometimes applied to the planet as the evening star as well, although Hesperus is properly its name then. By a curious chain of reference, the passage in Luke 10:18 was thought to refer to Isaiah 14:12, in which the star is used metaphorically for the monarch of Babylon. Thus Lucifer became the chief of the fallen angels, the name borned by Satan before his rebellion. 6"From a supposed reference to this passage in our Lord’s words. 'I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven' (Lk 10:18), in connexion with Rev 9:1-11 (the language of 9:1 being in part probably derived from this passage), Lucifer came in the Middle Ages to be a common appellation of Satan. The star of Rev 9:1-11 is a fallen angel who has given to him the key of the abyss, from which he sets loose upon the earth horribly formed locusts with scorpions' tails, who have, however, power to hurt only such men as have not the seal of God on their foreheads. But this angel is not actually identified with Satan by the writer of the Apocalypse. The imagery in Is was no doubt suggested by a meteor, and possibly it was so in Rev also." 7.While some authors referred to Lucifer as Satan’s name before his expulsion from Heaven, others referred to Lucifer and Satan as two distinct entities. 10. Both as a literary convention and as Christian teachings or belief, historically there would appear to be little consensus. Regardless, it should be clear that an author may use the terms Lucifer or luciferian and not be referring to Satan.1.Sir William Smith, Smaller Classical Dictionary.2.E. Theodore Mullen, Jr. The Assembly of the Gods: The Divine Council in Canaanite and Early Hebrew Literature. Harvard Semitic Monograph Series No. 24, Scholar’s Press: 1980, ISSN 0073-0637.3.There is no consensus on which king is referred to in Isaiah. There are four main contenders: Tiglath-pileser III (c.774 - 727 BC) who is referred to as "Pul" in II Kings 15:19). [Cf. An Introduction to the Old Testament Prophetic Books, Chapter 6, C. Hassell Bullock. Moody Press: Chicago, 1986 Edition.]; Nebuchadrezzer, afterwards corrupted into Nebuchadnezzer, who reigned 604-561 BCE; his grandson, Belshazzar.(d. c. 539); and Sennacherib (705-681 BCE) [See Bible Knowledge Commentary, "Isaiah," John Martin. p. 1061.].4.F.H. Woods, A Dictionary of the Bible Vol III. ed. James Hastings. New York. Charles Scribner’s Sons: 1908. p. 159. Cf. : Numbers 24:17 "...there shall come a Star out of Jacob...."; 2 Peter 1:19 "...until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:"; Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."5.Owen C. Whitehouse, A Dictionary of the Bible Vol IV. ed. James Hastings. New York. Charles Scribner’s Sons: 1908. pp. 407-12. Cf. The Origin of Satan, Elaine Pagels. Random House, New York: 1995.6.Funk & Wagnall Standard Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology & Legend.7. F.H. Woods, loco citato8.The New Encyclopædia Britannica, Chicago: 1989. 15th edition. vol. 7, p. 542.9. Detail from Tiglath-pileser III Receiving Homage 745-27 B.C.; Mesopotamian, Neo-Assyrian period; Limestone; height 1.2 m (48 in.)10. See Livre de la Deablerie, title page. Paris : printed by Michel Le Noir, 1568. Reproduced in Devils, Demons, and Witchcraft, Ernst and Johanna Lehner. New York : Dover Publications Inc., 1971. p. 52. Also see "The pact with the infernal powers allegedly signed by Father Urbain Grandier and countersigned by Lucifer, Beelzebub, Satan, Elmi, Leviathan, Asteroth and Baalbarith. Loudun, 1634." Devils, Demons, and Witchcraft, p. 80.http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/LuciferandSatan.html
momentarylapseofreason
Sep 1 2007, 06:46 PM
Here's more from the horse's mouth:The history of anti-masonry is almost as old as that of Freemasonry itself. Anti-masonic thought can be grouped into two broad catagories: accusations of anti-Christian or satanic objectives, and accusations of political and social manipulation. Anti-masonic thought today generally turns to the many conspiracy theories currently popular in the media. Historically, Freemasonry has ignored such attacks. The following articles contain the facts.http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/index.html
Llucid
Sep 2 2007, 10:05 AM
QUOTE(conspiracy clothes @ Aug 30 2007, 12:03 PM)
I just did an interview with an expert in all this his name is Russ Dizdar, he is one of the worlds leading authorities on demonic possession, and has personally been involved in hundreds of exorcisms, Russ is also an expert on trauma based mind control, and he taught police course on satanic crime.it explains evrthing, but most importantly how to deal with all this, because if he is right, then during "the black awakening" were going to need to know how to counter it.http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/entry/20...T22_54_57-07_00I just listened to this interview and it was faaaaannntastic. You say that you did the interview? It was very well done and it seemed like every question that came to my mind while listening was asked. Bravo.
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